You'd be asking for concord in low and nullsec too...

Oh, andGǪGǪgood, then you can explain why this would in any way be a good change.

What an ignorant viewpoint. Do you even PVP?

-Liang

See the thing you missed... when a fleet is camping a gate, and another fleet comes roaming by... this would create action... you want that destroyed? You want eve more boring than it already is? Eve has had "concord" players for years "anti pirats" people who would roam around low sec looking for criminals (which would normally be on the gates preying on the weak)... now they will just wait at a bookmark above the gate and warp down when they know you come in...(which is already done)

I've been very forthright with why it's a bad idea: almost all PVP in all areas of Eve happens on gates. High sec, low sec, null sec, WH space... wherever. The fights always happen where people travel. The entire game is built around it. While the change would undoubtedly prevent people from gate camping, it will ALSO severely hamper people that are roaming - so even the "good" kind of PVP would simply die out too.

Furthermore, this does nothing to really affect the usage of content in low sec because that's already not on gates. Basically, it's misguided and naive. And it will further break this section of the game.

-Liang

I really don't care about the whole gate camp part - though I actually like crashing gate camps with my old high sec PVE alt. But nerfing AAAAAALLLLLLLLLL engagements in low sec to the point that they just won't happen is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

It's just flat stupid.



I can't even remember last time I saw a capital on a gate. Oh wait, yes I can. It was 12-18 months ago...

-Liang

Sure we do: we're arguing about an attempt to move combat off gates and ontoGǪ nowhere, because there is no reason for those fights to happen anywhere else.

We're also arguing about what the actual problem is. What is this solving? Why is it a problem to begin with? Is this a good solution for whatever the problem is? That last one might be subject to implementation details, but the others aren't.

As a solution to mindless Rancer camping, it's a great idea. As an ex-pirate I applaud the effort to move people away from sitting on gates forever just to get some cheap kills. However, destroying low-sec roaming is not worth it.

It would make way more sense to make the sentry guns' strength depend on the amount of kills in a given solar system during the last x days or hours. That way, you can't reliably camp the same gate but will keep proper lowsec PvP intact.

The sentry damage thing we can easily get around, most likely by using long-range setups with alternating tacklers. It's going to be like 2004 again, so maybe I should dust off that 8-HS Armageddon? No, really, we'll still kill people on gates just fine. This will however indeed disrupt roaming engagements and severely disrupt faction warfare.

But the one thing which really caught my eye is that sentries will now aggro people with suspect flags. That means that sentry guns will fire on people who steal from cans, ninja-salvage post-pvp wrecks on gate, etc. Has anyone else noticed this in Greyscale's post? Is this really the direction EVE is heading into? Capital punishment by non-player mechanics for small offenses?

Oh, and, just because it might be easier for you bears to get into low-sec, doesn't mean that it will be any safer once you're inside. Do you really think we can't probe out your mission sites, or that our aversion to mining makes us unable to bring ourselves to warp to asteroid belts? I'm guessing you guys are going to give this a couple of tries, and then whine for sentries/CONCORD in belts and mission sites. And CCP will give them to you.

Maybe it really is over then. Maybe EVE is making that final transition that a few other games have made. I've been here for near a decade, and smiled through all of those doomsday proclamations, but it's really looking like this is it this time around. It's not just a matter of one change that throws carebears a bone. They're not stopping.

Do you really think 120,000 EHP on a barge or ASBs on your Tengu are going to protect you from a pvp-fit Vindicator flown by a 2004 vet who has done nothing but pvp for the past eight years? I'm telling you, it's a false sense of security. Instead of learning combat mechanics on a mass scale and organizing yourselves into competent groups, you guys are clamoring for non-player game play mechanics for protection so that you can solo mine and run missions and it simply will not work.

Have u ever sat solo on a gate or station in a bc or recon? I challenge every one of the csm and CCP Greyscale to go get in a bc or recon and go take global and tell me sentrys are underpowered and also fly to the Crielere solar system where 2 stations are 40km apart and when u get global u get double sentry damage from both stations but i guess this is working as intended. There are more pressing issues in the game atm without breaking more content that isnt broken to start with.

You and your fellow CSM 7 friends are an embarrasment to the eve community. If u spent as much time grasping basic game mechanics and a feel for what the players want instead of writing blogs, appearing on radio shows, making indirect snide remarks on twitter and feathering your own nests with free trips to iceland and free gametime the CSM might actually fill the role its supposed to. You all need to grow a pair instead of sitting at these summits nodding like churchill dogs (Churchill Dog at stupid moronic ideas tabled by ccp.

Grow some bawls, stop flaming ppl with valid points and do the job the community voted u on to do. Oh and you can log in and undock if u like too.

Hello,

Gatecamping is wrong, annoying, prevents newbies from getting to low/null and make a living there. I think that's the main reason why.

If you want to fight, start an actual roam, instead of camping gates 23,5/7.
And jump to an other gate from time to time.

This will not impede with normal fighting if you have some actual PvP experience. Gatecamping requires no experience, just patience, and we all know that waiting for something to happen without much risk involved is much like mining, which is carebearing, which is EVIL AND MUST BE EXTERMINATED AT ALL COSTS.

I asked once before so I'll reword it and see if you have an answer this time.

Once past the gate what would carebears be able to do in space that wouldn't result in them being hunted down and killed? How would any change to sentries increase interest in low sec considering the answer to the first question is nothing?

You are clueless.

Gate camps are not prolific. I hop into and out of lowsec many many many times per week and rarely encounter gate camps.

Rancer and Amamake are not indicative of all lowsec/highsec border systems. If you think that, then you're a damned fool.

You might want to start travelling into lowsec, Issler, before spouting off your nonsense.

Wait a minute....you live in low sec, got enough people to vote for you to win a trip to Iceland and you can't bust a gate camp....


You DON'T know what you're talking about. Who cares about the 2 hours you had to play. In that time if you can't avoid or destroy a static camp with a batphone alone you should be impeached as a representative of EVE players. If you're talking about Titans bombing gates then you really don't know what you're talking about because that only happens in a couple places which are easy to avoid.

Good luck on the next contest to win a vacation with these quotes floating around....friggen clueless trader looking to be can clouded and inty ganked....what a maroon.

Did any of you that posted in the last 24 hours or so read the part where this ISNT happening anymore? There's a reason the thread hasn't been bumped in 2 months.

Just wanted to save you the effort of posting, if you haven't noticed...otherwise feel free to keep sharing your feedback